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Studying Computer Science and writing an essay on how Moral Relativism is a Left-Wing Conspiracy meant to make me legalize fags getting married.
i really find moral relativism to be a very weak philosophy
i think there is at least some ojective standard at which we can judge how well moral systems provide well-being
I agree with the fact that most morals that fall outside of the "Golden Rule" are relative.
I suppose I agree with the idea.
...that is a strong word, not to be used by nonphilosophers
I'll just stick to my science. Where the world is a lot less cold. And equally weird.
I understand where people disagree, and it is important to disagree in order to innovate new ways of acting morally
but there are things that are just personally valuable, like some people like Television, some hate it
some like theater, some dont
but this is not the basis of a moral system for society
Why do we need morality?
It matters what you call morality
Except in a few base cases obviously.
We can't let people go murdering everyone and stealing everyone's valuables.
If you care about how your actions affect others, then morality makes sense
if you want to be brainless squid and just be about eating and sleeping and your mate, then that is for u
Well obviously I don't.
Now, we recognize that there are consequences for our actions
We have very complicated ways of creating systems of interaction in order to deal with talking with people and organizing events
Now it is very demanding to ask for perfection so we make rules that are easy enough to be incorporated by the basic person
There is also unlimited desire but limited resources
also some people are psycopaths
so society must make economic choices about how resources should be managed to the benefit of perserving society and individuals
psycos are dangerous and put to prison and some difficult choices are made about how to take care of people when resources are low
A moral system in today's lingo, is a well thought out way of achieving human purposes
now there can be emotion compontents to ones moral system, but things get complicated because of all the natural tendencies people have that harm people
FOr instance, peer pressure, mob mentality, supertious mind-sets
humans are not perfect, and a moral system can not demand the impossible
So, do you understand that we have morality whether u want it or not?
If not morality, then a person has convention
I don't think morality is completely absent.
it is everywhere a person has been and had to make a choice which affects others
But I do think there is a relative nature to certain moral issues. And to try and say that absolute right or wrong exists is usually a false dichotomy.
there is a difference between acknowledging the gray and relativism
relativism is to say there is no objective way of evluating moral decisions
while the grayness of issues to recognize the bsacrifices we make in certain decisions
And I do think you can cultivate "wrong" morals. I haven't seen enough evidence to believe that morality is genetic.
Well, then u have never seen very young children
Anything that can recognize something is wrong and try to fix it, even very young children and some animals, have some form of morality
Yes but what we say is moral and isn't moral isn't genetic.
ANimals can understand pain (something DNA has predisposed them to have) and can notice patterns (learn) and is a social animal (prime apes) will exhibit morality of a sort
You can be taught "morals" is what I'm saying. It is truly a perspective that you are taught.
the ability to learn is genetic
We're taught that killing people is bad and it's reinforced by the pattern that murderers are taken to a bad place.
so it is still environmental and biology to me
So we are born with a capacity for morality.
it not that difficult
all you have to do is know something, learn, feel, and choose
and a bit of understanding of others
dags can do all those things, but they cannot do complicated moral decisions
which requires complex prediction making
all these attributes are evolved and useful
they help animals help each other
mothers may take care of animals that are not their children
Which in turn helps themselves.
good things can help the moral agent
not a bad thing
Now humans also have the capacity to share ideas
which gives us the ability to be hyjacked by dangerous ideas
People can convince themsleves that suicide bombing is moral even though it does not help anyone but the idea
the idea of islam replicates, spreading from mind to mind, and protects itself
it is not rational, but it evolves
and our brains all us to harbor and spread them
Ideas can change our brains, because they are like software
It is possible to see the differences between a literate brain and an illiterate one
taxi drivers have special improvements on their brains to handle all that street information and navigation expertise
religious people have special ways of interpreting phenomena in order to understand what THor or Seus wants them to do
So that is how you can get a moral system that is not based on self-benefit
it has to deal with the brain and ideas
I really would enjoy to continue but I really need to study for my AP Computer Science test tomorrow haha
well, i hope you learn something
that is why philosophers are very useful, they make it a job to know how we think
because they think about thinking
all the time
well, tah tah for now
Haha. I'm sure we will be talking again some time.
I think that is the most succinct way I explain memetics (the theory of where ideas come from)